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		<title>Comment on KOffice 2.3.3 Update by Martin Mena</title>
		<link>http://www.koffice.org/news/announcements/koffice-2-3-3-update/comment-page-1/#comment-3547</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Mena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, KOffice 2.3.3 for Windows. Sorry, I not speak English.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Views and a Conversion by Thomas Zander</title>
		<link>http://www.koffice.org/blogs/thomaszander/views-and-a-conversion/comment-page-1/#comment-3317</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Zander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anders
I very much agree that the dockers are a pain point. When Qt introduced them I&#039;m sure they didn&#039;t expect such usage as KOffice is using them now. Ideally we enhance the system in Qt but in the mean time a solution where dockers are embedded in a scroll area would be very nice to have.
If you have specific ideas please don&#039;t be shy :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anders<br />
I very much agree that the dockers are a pain point. When Qt introduced them I&#8217;m sure they didn&#8217;t expect such usage as KOffice is using them now. Ideally we enhance the system in Qt but in the mean time a solution where dockers are embedded in a scroll area would be very nice to have.<br />
If you have specific ideas please don&#8217;t be shy <img src='http://www.koffice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Views and a Conversion by Anders Lund</title>
		<link>http://www.koffice.org/blogs/thomaszander/views-and-a-conversion/comment-page-1/#comment-3315</link>
		<dc:creator>Anders Lund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 11:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A main problem with KOffice applications is that the way dockers work, they are not well behaved on small screens (mine is 1024x600px), Selceting some object may at any time make the window bigger than the screen, hiding stuff out of reach, making the window unmaximized etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A main problem with KOffice applications is that the way dockers work, they are not well behaved on small screens (mine is 1024x600px), Selceting some object may at any time make the window bigger than the screen, hiding stuff out of reach, making the window unmaximized etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Views and a Conversion by Anders Lund</title>
		<link>http://www.koffice.org/blogs/thomaszander/views-and-a-conversion/comment-page-1/#comment-3313</link>
		<dc:creator>Anders Lund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to be able to use KWord for taking notes, with drawings, images, tables etc. Basics are there, but some way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to be able to use KWord for taking notes, with drawings, images, tables etc. Basics are there, but some way to go.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Views and a Conversion by atomopawn</title>
		<link>http://www.koffice.org/blogs/thomaszander/views-and-a-conversion/comment-page-1/#comment-3305</link>
		<dc:creator>atomopawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 06:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damian:

Ideally, yes, you would be able to contribute plugins that work in both.  And with the code in its current state, a plugin written for one (such as a simple docker) would probably work in another.  From a practical standpoint, though, the code bases are going to start to diverge and that will probably mean API changes in the next couple versions.  So down the road, that probably won&#039;t be as easy.  

Dion: 

The beauty of the koffice design is that everything is modular.  The music flake is just a plugin like any other plugin  If the user doesn&#039;t want it, he can simply turn it off and use the other features of koffice.  Similarly, we only need to invest development resources there if someone wants to pick up the music flake plugin and really start to push the boundaries with it.  The &quot;one thing&quot; we have chosen to do well is to make the code modular.  In fact, it is a little too modular right now for my taste.  The design seems to be heavily influenced by the &quot;Design Patterns&quot; programming paradigm which prioritizes runtime modularity and abstraction over code readability and inheritance.  The more I get used to it, the more I like it, though.

Everyone:

It&#039;s good to see everyone on here contributing their ideas.  If any of you would like to dive into the code, I&#039;ve gotten to a point where I think I can give you some good pointers on how things work and would love to help you get started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damian:</p>
<p>Ideally, yes, you would be able to contribute plugins that work in both.  And with the code in its current state, a plugin written for one (such as a simple docker) would probably work in another.  From a practical standpoint, though, the code bases are going to start to diverge and that will probably mean API changes in the next couple versions.  So down the road, that probably won&#8217;t be as easy.  </p>
<p>Dion: </p>
<p>The beauty of the koffice design is that everything is modular.  The music flake is just a plugin like any other plugin  If the user doesn&#8217;t want it, he can simply turn it off and use the other features of koffice.  Similarly, we only need to invest development resources there if someone wants to pick up the music flake plugin and really start to push the boundaries with it.  The &#8220;one thing&#8221; we have chosen to do well is to make the code modular.  In fact, it is a little too modular right now for my taste.  The design seems to be heavily influenced by the &#8220;Design Patterns&#8221; programming paradigm which prioritizes runtime modularity and abstraction over code readability and inheritance.  The more I get used to it, the more I like it, though.</p>
<p>Everyone:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to see everyone on here contributing their ideas.  If any of you would like to dive into the code, I&#8217;ve gotten to a point where I think I can give you some good pointers on how things work and would love to help you get started.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Views and a Conversion by damian</title>
		<link>http://www.koffice.org/blogs/thomaszander/views-and-a-conversion/comment-page-1/#comment-3246</link>
		<dc:creator>damian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 05:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand something, can you share code with calligra so that plugins work for both?, I mean can&#039;t you go into different directions While keeping plugins compatible with each other? As some koffice/calligra are things you can add to a page(music scores, drawings) can&#039;t these be universal?, maybe other plugins can&#039;t, but All possible should be shared between these 2.
Or even more, can&#039;t you make a new set of apps designed for all you say but based totally on calligra code?
Isn&#039;t changing the ui and adding some features enough?
I say all these because I wanted to contribute to koffice when I finished learning c++/qt, but now I&#039;m confused about what project should I contribute in. It would be better if I could contribute to both at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand something, can you share code with calligra so that plugins work for both?, I mean can&#8217;t you go into different directions While keeping plugins compatible with each other? As some koffice/calligra are things you can add to a page(music scores, drawings) can&#8217;t these be universal?, maybe other plugins can&#8217;t, but All possible should be shared between these 2.<br />
Or even more, can&#8217;t you make a new set of apps designed for all you say but based totally on calligra code?<br />
Isn&#8217;t changing the ui and adding some features enough?<br />
I say all these because I wanted to contribute to koffice when I finished learning c++/qt, but now I&#8217;m confused about what project should I contribute in. It would be better if I could contribute to both at the same time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Views and a Conversion by Новые пути развития KOffice&#160;&#124;&#160;AllUNIX.ru &#8211; Всероссийский портал о UNIX-системах</title>
		<link>http://www.koffice.org/blogs/thomaszander/views-and-a-conversion/comment-page-1/#comment-3244</link>
		<dc:creator>Новые пути развития KOffice&#160;&#124;&#160;AllUNIX.ru &#8211; Всероссийский портал о UNIX-системах</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 04:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zander), ведущий разработчик текстового процессора KWord, представил своё понимание путей развития офисного пакета KOffice. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Zander), ведущий разработчик текстового процессора KWord, представил своё понимание путей развития офисного пакета KOffice. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Views and a Conversion by Dion Moult</title>
		<link>http://www.koffice.org/blogs/thomaszander/views-and-a-conversion/comment-page-1/#comment-3240</link>
		<dc:creator>Dion Moult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 01:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what I don&#039;t want to see. I don&#039;t want to see kword turned into a music notation software. Not just because music notation is a very complex topic ( see lilypond for example)  but because I believe in the do one thing and for it well philosophy. I hope this doesn&#039;t sound too harsh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what I don&#8217;t want to see. I don&#8217;t want to see kword turned into a music notation software. Not just because music notation is a very complex topic ( see lilypond for example)  but because I believe in the do one thing and for it well philosophy. I hope this doesn&#8217;t sound too harsh.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Views and a Conversion by Bob Harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.koffice.org/blogs/thomaszander/views-and-a-conversion/comment-page-1/#comment-3238</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 00:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone remember Ashton-Tate&#039;s &#039;framework&#039;?  That was another integrated suite in which text, spreadsheets, graphics, were all elements of equal rank.  It never coped well with the transition to wysiwyg working, but had some challenging ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone remember Ashton-Tate&#8217;s &#8216;framework&#8217;?  That was another integrated suite in which text, spreadsheets, graphics, were all elements of equal rank.  It never coped well with the transition to wysiwyg working, but had some challenging ideas.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Views and a Conversion by Thomas Zander</title>
		<link>http://www.koffice.org/blogs/thomaszander/views-and-a-conversion/comment-page-1/#comment-3223</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Zander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lefty
Hey, I want to avoid going too far off topic and so won&#039;t go into details of how we got to this split up. This blog is about how the koffice side goes on with some goals that make it clear where we are heading.  Lets focus on the future.
What do you want to see happening in KOffice? Would you consider hacking on a koffice plugin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lefty<br />
Hey, I want to avoid going too far off topic and so won&#8217;t go into details of how we got to this split up. This blog is about how the koffice side goes on with some goals that make it clear where we are heading.  Lets focus on the future.<br />
What do you want to see happening in KOffice? Would you consider hacking on a koffice plugin?</p>
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